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The first was with Sir Simon Fraser, a former senior civil servant and colleague of Sir Ivan Rogers, the UK Ambassador to the EU whose resignation was announced this morning. The tone and broader context of the interview was established when at the outset Fraser caveated his description of Rogers as an expert with the phrase ‘if I can use the “expert” word’.
Towards the end of the interview Mishal Hussain asked the diplomat to comment on rumours that Whitehall wanted to replace the outgoing ambassador with someone ‘pro-Brexit’. Fraser responded, ‘I think when you appoint ambassadors you don’t appoint them for what they believe, you appoint them for what they know. [Believing in Brexit] is the role of the minister; the role of the ambassador is to give advice.’
Later in the same programme John Humphrys interviewed physicist Jon Butterworth in response to an item on the existence or otherwise of dark matter. (That I have no idea what dark matter is or why its existence or otherwise is important is of no consequence here!) Asked to back one of two mutually exclusive positions, Butterworth pointed out that, ‘physics will do its thing, whatever [physicists] think.’
Belief and knowledge. Objective and subjective reality. Fact and fiction. Truth and post-truth. Welcome to 2017.
You can listen to both interviews in full here (Sir Simon Fraser is at around 1 hr 9mins and Jon Butterworth around 1 hr 35mins.
A video extract from the Sir Simon Fraser interview (which includes the longer quote above) is here.
